407: Raygun: Breaking Badly

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[SPEAKER_01]: Breaking very bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jason Horton, I'm Rebecca Leib, and this is Ghost Town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here to talk another day, another document, another Netflix documentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, it's a big one for me, ideologically, emotionally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about part of the untold series called untold, ray gun breaking badly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I have to say this is what I remember of this is what this documentary is, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really does go through our whole cultural consciousness about this moment where we have this woman, Rachel Gunn, an Olympian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Legit, she is an Olympian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We cannot argue with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes and she break dances very poorly at this competition on a world stage with the best athletes of

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[SPEAKER_00]: break dancing essentially the be girls from all over the world and this is this document that really goes through how everything went and honestly I did learn something so let's start unless you have any like beginning thoughts and what no I really honestly like the fact that I didn't do and I only had a cursory understanding of what was happening but I always wondered how how did this happen and how did it get this far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this documentary, both does that, but also, I needed to do further research to get context of why, how things got this far and why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I blame somebody too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are some people at fault here along the way and we get to talk to them and we get to explore kind of the culture of not only break dancing, but like how weirdly specific Australian break dancing and the competitiveness around it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we see Regan, she's in Taipei and this is the first time she's competing since the Olympics so of course They have to with all these documentaries at a structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting back in the thing It's like we see her and she seems like a good normal white one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like a normal white woman, you know She's like when she would get interviewed I remember when she was getting interviewed by newscasters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I can't tell which one is her and which one is a new She just has a very kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, you could be a newscaster, you could be a lawyer, you could be a politician, or you could be a breakman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, truly everything you're a brunette, white woman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one distinguishing thing is that sometimes she has a nose ring, and I'm like, okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is your, and again, it's very bland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a very bland woman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I feel for her during a lot of this to be honest, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's personality though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I think and I can have a lot of thoughts we can get to at the very end of this too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of things where it's like she got through this and she is she worse for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, she she's doing this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like back in this dance thing and she says, uh, she this is the first mention of the uh, 2020 whore of Paris Olympics is where she competed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said quote, I didn't do as well as I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine if you ask any Olympian, they could probably say that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, I just want to, they're world-class athletes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They spend their lives getting to this place to compete in this moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody can touch them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, really, it is so insanely competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I didn't even know that much about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can say that pretty confident, you know, like that she, she is in this class of people that she should, she absolutely should not be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but she does say it's traumatizing and all this is before the title card, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we get to like the title card, then we get, then we go back to the beginning where we, where we mean a man named Sammy Sex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sam you will sex Samuel J says he is he actually looks like her in the beginning He's like a brunette Bob in the beginning too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We we see that he is a break dancer He's like this small white everyone is so Australian here too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like everyone's like so casual Everyone's like a mustache.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's like pretty good hair honestly like everyone's like looking pretty good Honestly, but we see we start with him his narrative

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got a call at a proactive call center, proactive like the face wash, which I'm like, this is so incredibly like 90s or early 2000s, which I appreciate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, tell me more, can we do a documentary of the proactive on a set that they did show their house?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what their, they're like kind of sales tactic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like give me more of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he meets

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[SPEAKER_00]: Riga in there and he doesn't say outright that he is attracted to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is also I thought was interesting where he was like I met her and I introduced her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like this list list art college student to break dancing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we get it as a reveal that they're romantically involved a little bit later, which I'm like, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that gave us anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he introduces Rachel Gunn, board college student also works at the proactive sale call center, big big call center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's in Amherd by it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes that it's like genderless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes that women can do the men's moves, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes that she like can be like express yourself through dance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So does he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both are like fucking white art weirdos who like break dancing for the potential that it has for them to express themselves in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: now little do they know or give credit to the like long lineage of break-cancing and I'm from I mean I'm old enough where I remember I would watch break-tancers in the subways in New York in the 80s of that age yeah and I think break-tancers break-tancing you know even in like movies and the 80s has been around for so long

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even when you when you watch this all unfold, it's not kind of like, oh, what's this thing break dancing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have any context.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all have context.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that that's not what break dancing is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're all caught up, it's still not what break dancing is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's really veers more into clowning than it does break dancing, which is of the moment right now, especially in Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's it's all kind of lost on them and that that feels very Australian to me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to put a whole blanket statement on all of us during college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very like I'm a white millennial in Australia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not quite educating myself on where this comes from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just going to like go in, you know, head first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we see some pictures of her in like 2013.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She looks like a very, she's like the skiniest Titus jeans, just like a Bieber haircut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was at this point where like all women, if you were like, and I was this too, I had like jet black hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's like, if you're a elder millennial in 20,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ten you had like dark black hair and you were doing something really embarrassing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just were you just were and hers was break dancing Hers was being a be girl you're a be boy or a be girl and she was entering these these Like battles and using this Name rape done now a portment of her name Rachel again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the name ray gun has helped This whole thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does, I think if you have a really good, like that good, like, kind of brandable name, it makes it perpetuates the whole face of sounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Ray-Gun is a pretty cool name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is a pretty cool name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got something going for the only thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so then we talked to another woman with a very luscious head of hair her name is tiny locks Also a fun name not as good as Ray gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, but she is a big girl and then You know back then she's competing with Ray gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They see each other in the same world and she really gives context for like There's not a lot of women doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's very much like okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do this, listen I like a clean look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell that she is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm just like you're you're actually good at this And she's trying to be more polite and she's like, yeah, you know, I like a clean move whatever Ray gun had like her own vibe and she's trying to be diplomatic and you're like

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the vibe is like lacks the athleticism and probably most of the rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all those kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, she's into break dancing more than she has the good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to bring to break dancing, but still puts the time in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, she has a PhD in break dancing culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know she's into it, we get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, proven, right, her thesis, which we get to is like, is like women's role in break dancing culture, which is like, you're an academic around break dancing, that does not up break dance or make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not an athlete, you're an academic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Proving by the fact that you get paid to do this, you don't get paid to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to make it all about like money or anything, but it's like, you don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we, but you don't want to, you don't want to accept that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to think that you can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, there's a thing where I remember it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We really hit me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to do, um, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, like a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was, I wasn't really at it, but I was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I competed and, uh, with really good people and I was zero and four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got absolutely crushed because at the time when I was doing it, my interest in doing it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: exceeded my skill level, and I loved the sport, but I did not have the tools to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine if they were like, well, Jason, you're the one, you're going to go to the Olympics, and I'm not comparing it, but it would be like me going to a world stage due to jujitsu and get absolutely annihilated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly knowing I didn't have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so much going on there too, which again, we'll get to, but like, it's like, I don't fault this woman for having an interest in this thing and wanting to do it, but she also benefited from being one of the few women that were actively doing it and also being in us oceania, you know, like Australia so far from the people who do this more intensely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a lot of where I was seeing which there was a lot of where these things were happening and if you had money and means you had a better chance of getting to the places you needed to go in that short amount of time in order to put yourself in that place to succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I can't do anything wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like if you were broke or you couldn't get to, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 0.8 a point B with having the things and things were announced last minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so if you didn't have the luxury of that You're gonna get whoever's willing to show up absolutely it's like if I showed up to this Jiu-Jitsu thing that happened to be very last minute in Van Nye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 2 p.m. And Van Nye I hope you can make it and it's like yeah, I can make it because I can afford to make it and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that had a lot to do, which is not her fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, not to do that, but also it's like, we're not getting the best people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're not doing your due diligence as a new sport in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd think, hey, I'm Australia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, maybe I shouldn't, maybe we shouldn't enter this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps we should just sit this one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead they were like, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get like getting caught up in the excitement of a new sport and like trying to represent your country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of nationalism involved in this documentary, too, which like goes like way too far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you kind of need to understand like yeah what is like your pride in being an Australian person and what is what's the line between that and making a mockery of this incredibly intense, impressive athletic tradition of dance you know and I don't think we like land at anything but I don't think she fully even understands that by the end of this but we also meet Flex who is another Beaker all who I love because I'm like first of all you didn't make it in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: she's very angry and it's nice to have this point of view because I think it's a lot of point of view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like how did she get here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's embarrassing, holy shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also like you're a big girl and you went to this thing and you didn't make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So is there some of that in this as like another white woman who's like, they just the talent pool for these particular things to qualify for the Olympics was not a, not to say there weren't break times was that could have done it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also also read that there was other competitions going on around the same

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these land masses are huge like L.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think they didn't have their best people, but that's what they allotted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the Olympics, which is like none of these people's fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, again, the fault is really the organization and the people who are putting this on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that head coach guy where I'm like, oh, you didn't even sit in on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't even checking in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to say you were embarrassed at all because this is like your responsibility and your job and your a judge in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were a lot of judges at that competition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also it's funny because we get a lot of footage from that those qualifiers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're people are like, oh, you're like a good dancer, but like she never seems like a good dancer No, she seems like somebody who doesn't really have It's like somebody getting on her on a singing competition show that doesn't have a great voice and it's kind of sort of Sinking karaoke, glee, but they're the only options that they're given so yeah move on to the final

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, honestly, it reminds me of like early American Idol.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like people would get into like the top five that weren't very good because it was so early on in the show's tenure where it's like, we just, well, you know, we got like maybe two really good singers and like these people that were like bringing with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also read that the judges for that qualifier were ballroom judges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that they didn't have like, they had no context of like, okay, let's see, you know, we got power moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't head spin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your personal style?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were ball room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, somebody can fact check me on that, but yeah, I just thought that was one of some of the things that kind of complicated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but we learned to that Sammy sex, again, they're, they're married, they're dating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sammy sex and Ray gun, a match made in heaven, and he is her coach during all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where it sets the vibe too, where he's at the qualifiers, and he's like, you're great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He like, really like, and again, I think we should all have someone who looks at us like, Sammy sex looks at Ray gun, where it's like, you're amazing or ingenious, like, holy shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There might be a comedy couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, one of them was a brunette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like an improvised or a couple or a comedy is Santa Comedy Couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't that great at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, what, did we even see him dance?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he just kind of wore windbreakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was always just like, oh, he was like sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was always saying sick, who's sick a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, he's like gasping her up during all of this, which I think is a beautiful thing, but I'm also like at a certain point, you're in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what role do you play in this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In her delusion that she can get a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's not the most biggest delusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like she thought she could win, even though she was like talking all kinds of game in these press things swept up and like the press of it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, even getting one vote against like these fucking incredibly impressive dancers, like, huh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll say, I'll also, I imagine they're like, oh, you're gonna do a slam dunk contest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, I've never done a slam dunk and all these other people's slam dunk for living.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I get there and I can't slam dunk,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that I need to do slam dunk in the slam dunk competition so she has the information Yeah, and knew the whole time and then I think there's even a point where she's like Oh, I should really learn some of these things that are the thing yeah, but she's like Well, though first I want to say this is pretty moment where she wins She's going to the Olympics, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like holy shit and Molly is like fuck, you know Who's who again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Better than her honestly even in like the little that they showed us, but I was like Just as for Molly, but she's like so surprised and the like whisk her off to a drug test And she makes this like big deal about taking a drug test We're like, did you have drugs in your system and do those drugs?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did they do for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just kind of fold your arms Yeah, I felt that you're had like what do you and I think they made I think they put it in there to make a point that this is like real like we're getting real now Like I'm going to the Olympics

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[SPEAKER_00]: but also like, we do, did you smoke weed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, you don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't do any drugs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't do drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're this like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's also like, you know, and this is not, and this is a kind of a testament to things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's already probably a bit older in this athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like mid 30s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, you know, to get started in something that is extremely athletic and you're

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 year olds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know even I even at your best athletic ability you still can keep up But you don't even have that because you never did that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not that you are not this you are not this and her parents are even like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, it's cool, honestly, it is cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool that you get to say that you went viral, went to the, like, all of this is an experience that, like, on paper is cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the psychological ramifications of it, less cool, I would say, but she's going to the Olympics, then she's like, well, okay, I guess I gotta start learning some power moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the breakdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's break dancing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest is just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clowning you know, I was watching so I was like, oh, you're kind of like winding up for something interesting, but you don't have the thing No, it's like almost kind of like, hey, if we're in the ground, I'm gonna tell this really a layer joke everyone get here I was like, oh, and then you get up there and just go for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're like like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I don't have I don't have the joke Yeah, I just get you like wound up to potentially see one

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely and Louie is the guy who's the head coach and he's guy that was the put together all the qualifiers this guy in my opinion is to blame for this He's just a dude and he put he clearly knows fucking nothing about the another he should But you have to do some research.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know you're putting up somebody and actually I I wondered I did not do research who the

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[SPEAKER_00]: be boy that went up is and how they did and fair not that it matters but I'm just like you don't know what you're doing you you know something's going terribly wrong and you just kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: become avoidant for about eight months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also, I mean, he probably knew on paper, like this person is, it's almost like being like a netbo baby, but the nepotism is just right place, right time, money, and accessibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all this, this is like, this is the story of what's documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, now I'm learning like the circumstances that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Made this happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean in this this documentary is like so many other ways that people do it You know like different ways that people get success or fail upwards This is a blueprint for that which goes to show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like people around you be you being not good at something But having privilege and having like a lot of momentum behind you and feeling good about yourself people around you not know what the fuck they're doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: disorganized, avoidance, ignorant of things, and then everyone just kind of being like, well, we did this thing and this person got this thing, so let's just like let it ride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Until you're at the Olympics, what she was good at is the networking, the kind of, you know, going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: TV shows, the motion, very good at that and a very kind of like all this person seems accessible and I think you know a lot of things that arose like it's just meant a lot of time doing that and trying to get like sponsors and brand deals and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a little bit of like a positive like kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know at the end how it's going to be and I know you've seen break dancing before because you're an academic at it and you've also been doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like for me 10 plus years in the 10 years, I can't imagine you've never heard of the rest of the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's, you should know better, based on what you've said, you should absolutely know better, you like being on TV, you like the attention, you like you're going to be, let me just, all, all of which are very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, you can't be surprised when this happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The price of all of this is this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly, paying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you, you seem intelligent, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then they, they structure it and they're like, Olympics are like two months out, you know, like the, and so we're getting closer and closer to the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She starts to see a sports psychologist because she's on anti-depressants because she knows and she, she does acknowledge that she's like, I'm not good enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At a certain point, she can't do the power mobs, she's 38 years old, you're like, you're in the gym, you can't do these things, you're going, you go to a bunch of different competitions, you don't even place and you don't even qualify, one, you don't even go to you, you missed your flight, it's a mood point, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have taken the one spot, which is not your fault that you've taken the one spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you played by all the rules.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rules just happen to be in your favor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was like, when they had this, when they had these auditions, it was a very last minute thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, it's going to be here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be a two o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that was by design or they were kind of like, oh, we got to do something really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And whoever shows up shows up, you'd hate that if it was like, hey, we need somebody to fly this plane and just like, well, I don't really

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've read some books on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want that person flying the plane no, and maybe it had something to do with like you have to like enter who is going to be in the Olympic Spicer in time and like Australian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just storyously casual and affordability to do the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know If you don't have the sponsors you need to have probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be a broke person into the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she, listen, she goes all over the world, getting it to qualify.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm also just like, you're not even like a rich person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is also very Australian towards like, you get a lot of benefits and time off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lifestyle that allows you to do a lot of stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know my father is an Australian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about the amount of break dance in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many of them are in their mid-late thirties?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not many.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably mostly, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: teenagers, young people in the early 20s, and then probably by like 24, 25, like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to work out for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you could be like a settled down person with means and you're kind of like, you're already kind of like, I have your foundation, be like, well, I have the time and money to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, I guess it's going to be you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never had somebody before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like, I mean, yeah, it's like a bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all the while Sammy sex is like gassing up his wife he's like we got to make you know like moments make battles and we got to like make this interpretive like like these mood like he realizes to the like she's not going to be power moves like let's go full like Australian pride let's like do swimming moves and sprinkler moves and like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can go room moves and I was like, dude, you are part of the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you, this is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a bad advice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I'm glad that you are so supportive of your wife, but your house, how, what makes you a coach?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody else who didn't succeed at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like teaching him, bro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's like, okay, I guess, but like you're not doing this, you're kind of delusional and your delusion is overflowing into your wife's high stakes existence in this arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then they're there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're at the fucking Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and I'm like, she's going into the arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Williams is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to see all this footage of her being so In over her and she's an in Olympic village like I'm just like you shouldn't you're just Oh, Jim and was kind of like wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't intimidating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's the gems the limbs the same Like yeah, yeah, dude like what are you and she's like sitting in her like little booth at in her like a Olympic I was like first of all Can you at least tell us about like the free shit that you got at the Olympics and the Olympic village like tell us some fun things that you did be before you got

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[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely fucking crushed by these people, but she doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's jazzed like they make these videos where they look fucking delusional, where they're like, we're like, like, go Australia, we're like, at the Olympic Village, like, holy shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is so exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're the first...

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[SPEAKER_00]: battle is at like two p.m. right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in Paris hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She realized that Sammy sex is not going to be closed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's on her own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She realized that from point of view, she and her husband are not a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is the athlete and she alone is competing in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that must be kind of an isolating like thing to have hit you like right before you go on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she does and she goes against this very athletic 21 year old and just, like, gets one of the water.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even, it's, it's truly, I don't even have to see it, but I, you know, they show footage of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I, I want to get at least one vote from somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's realistic about that, but not even that is realistic because she's so bad at this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even that in and of

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[SPEAKER_00]: is like scaling back her expectations, but it's still completely delusional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't get it about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think also, and this isn't really like the personally bothered me that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got a lot of heat for it, is that her style was like gulf her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like essentially which that I didn't think about and this I was like, oh yeah, you have no And you study this cult I mean you've appropriate of this culture the black culture I mean, I mean, it's been gone on since the 1970s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're just dressed like a golfer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, you are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit your adorque.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's embarrassing and you know, I also like I even found in the documentary is like I don't really think

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like a lot going on and I do not know where doesn't come off is like super like like a bull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, then I think, um, who was a tiny lock, so just like, why are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going at this Latvian beast of a dancer and she's like dance and this person is crushing her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She, it's embarrassing and she does like the yon and then she does the like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like sleeping kind of a thing and good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyne likes to like, you are up against this world-class athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you don't mock them and what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe you just don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like she caught up at all of the everything but the dance kind of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's, she's many ingredients that would make her a good fit again, privilege is one of them, you know, that could make her, you know, and that qualified her eventually to do this, but the thing that is the thing that you're here to do, you don't have you never had it and even I think one of her friends was like, yes, this is about as good as she was like, I don't think I thought it was something where they were good or were serviceable, but when they got there, they, you know, kind of like, shit the bed, but no, wasn't you were never,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were never good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were, you were in a pool of people that were not that good either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think someone said too, where it's like, you were the best person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is also like, listen, fair and square.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were the best person at those qualifiers on that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not saying much, but that is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why, systemically, the problem isn't really re-gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is the people around her facilitating her, and it makes them look bad, it makes Australia look like a fucking joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it creates this whole world of like delusion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And fortunately, you wanted, I mean, people like, listen, we're talking about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're, we're looking for attention on this subject.

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[SPEAKER_01]: everybody likes attention and she's no different and understandable, but also it's like the price of all this attention, you know, when it's time to pay up is getting embarrassed on that stage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your mental health is the price, like, remember William hung from, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and listen, is she the most famous break dancer in the world?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, you know, like, I know her name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know break dancing very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I hate that for break dancers who were actual, like, break dancers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, yeah, she did this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes to this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is humiliated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we still know her name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This documentary is about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are learning the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe was from what I read.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The documentary was facilitated by her management team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, so that's a lot of what's popping up is that had a lot to do with like her pitching her own Thing and she's like the attention probably This is it though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what you go where you go from here unless they do That's the thing A movie based about you or something like that well, so after she goes to hide in Amsterdam for two months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing Jesus what a horrible life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna try Branson fucking invites her on his fucking yachts and things are so bad that you have a billion air Fly you out to a personal cruise You don't even have it that bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so it's so Okay, yeah, you need to have a billion air fly out can't even go on TikTok anymore

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[SPEAKER_00]: Such a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Richard Branson's calling me up and is like, hey, party on my party crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think really what kind of backfired in this dog is like it didn't make you seem like humble or cool like or cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you did at least acknowledge your the faults.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and everyone else's fault to make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't really seem to like blame a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also kind of made it seem like, hey, I got money and attention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why why should I have the negativity of it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like, it's so crazy what I went through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you knew what you went through and you knew your intelligent, you knew that you'd have to pay the price after this at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, you did a little bit and you got out the other side, listen, you did pay and now you're in this weird space of like your notorious, your famous, whatever, you get to do what you want to do because you kind of do have this name now, this bizarre name, but you quit at the end, I realized,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The song unstoppable also doesn't stop playing for like 40 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm sick of the, please stop staying playing unstoppable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been a year and a half since the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She quits her academia job and we don't know what she does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I quit my actual job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has my vibe is that she has money where she has I don't know if they she has like a family or kids to take care of it didn't seem like it So it seems like just saying a sex to take care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know how much she was making Teaching like people be boy history classes or whatever Dr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's working and stuff like that She also apparently they don't mention that she's sued a lot of people

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, they don't mention that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't mention interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of streamer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking about her negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so imagine you do a Ponzi scheme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still looking for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end, it's kind of like, yeah, there is no money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But why are you getting mad at me about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how bad this is for me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I knew at the end of the Ponzi scheme, there was going to be no money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yet when I'm here, and then I'm suing you for saying, Hey, you scam me true privilege true privilege It's really I didn't know that her team facilitated this to it's that makes a lot of sense because you do it She wants to make it a heroes journey right anyway, and you know, I do admire her for being very candid about some parts of it is you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: work was done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Work was done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not her fault, but was it taking away from somebody that was actually qualified?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it went to a, you know, it went to a, yeah, I mean, a boring, like a, like a norm core white woman who could be doing lots of different things, who seems perfectly fine, you know, versus these like young, again, very, very talented dancers, where

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're very good and they're not getting the aptitudes that she's getting for being very bad at this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like she's not elevating at the sport very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Much humility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't find it as much humility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of like, I went through, I went through a lot when I was taking sponsors sponsorship deals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People are getting tattoos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if she was like, would you do this again?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would absolutely do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 out of 10 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could she do it again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could she come back to the, what's the next one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the LA, are we the next Olympics here in Los Angeles?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to be back?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could she be back?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's grateful for the opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if she will, she'll be only dancing with the star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she says, she's like, I'll never stop dancing.

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